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	<title>Comments on: Strato Cruiser airship concept by Tino Schaedler and Michael J Brown</title>
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		<title>By: pjcamp</title>
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		<dc:creator>pjcamp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 18:37:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A standard Olympic size swimming pool contains 2500 tons of water. Even a tiny pool would contain in the hundreds of tons.  You&#039;re not getting off the ground.

Of course, if you do, the ship will get a lot lighter every time you make a turn and the water sloshes over the side.

You can draw anything you want, but that doesn&#039;t mean you can ever build it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A standard Olympic size swimming pool contains 2500 tons of water. Even a tiny pool would contain in the hundreds of tons.  You&#8217;re not getting off the ground.</p>
<p>Of course, if you do, the ship will get a lot lighter every time you make a turn and the water sloshes over the side.</p>
<p>You can draw anything you want, but that doesn&#8217;t mean you can ever build it.</p>
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		<title>By: Roscoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roscoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 13:34:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Think; nylon strand impregnated styrofoam sections that have individual cells- Earth people can dream up some large crafts for us sky people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Think; nylon strand impregnated styrofoam sections that have individual cells- Earth people can dream up some large crafts for us sky people.</p>
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		<title>By: Tino Rawnsley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tino Rawnsley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 22:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you need a pilot I&#039;m your man,  after years skippering big yachts and schooners i have always held the dream of piloting a zeppelin, to sail a ship sea or sky.... this is the one! The name Tino is pure coincidence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you need a pilot I&#8217;m your man,  after years skippering big yachts and schooners i have always held the dream of piloting a zeppelin, to sail a ship sea or sky&#8230;. this is the one! The name Tino is pure coincidence.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 18:28:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rigid airships benefit from economies of scale, however the larger they are, the larger the hangar required to build them in, the smaller the potential market and the greater the investment required before cash flow is established.   Even the Zeppelin&#039;s with the investment of their own personal fortunes, required government assistance to get started.   

A small blimp can easily cost 2 million dollars and even at 4 million, the size of the airship would not justify anything more than a semirigid design.   The military still funds R&amp;D into composite rigid airships but in general, airships are too large, too slow, and too easily damaged for military use.   

Ultimately, there are very few markets for airships due to public perception.   The current Zeppelin NT is scrambling for buyers with the concept of a rescue platform (hospital airship) being the latest proposal.

Somehow the cost of entry into the airship business must be lowered and markets identified.   I suspect that the most likely market will be for remotely controlled UAV high altitude communication platforms as the most likely to be profitable (small blimps, solar powered and cheaper than satellites).

Recreational use as a ocean liner style cruise ship also has a limited market and current ocean liners carry at least 1,000 passengers before realizing a profit.    An airship will likely carry between 50 and 100 passengers.   I don&#039;t think passengers are going to pay 10 times the cost of an ocean cruise to just be in the air rather than on the water.

Personal RV&#039;s captures a lot of imagination as it would bring a sense of personal freedom but sailing ships large enough to live on typically start at $200,000 and go up to $2,000,000.   Any personal RV airship will have to be in that range and currently only small blimps with a cramped gondola for a handful of passengers are in the top end of that range.

Also, hydrogen is a lot safer than the public realize, even with the Hidenburg, the hydrogen would&#039;ve burned in a controlled fashion since it has to mix with air before it&#039;s combustible (It was the flammable skin that started and kept the fire going) and the hydrogen were in 17 separate gas bags.   Besides, what if it was mixed with FM-200 or some other Halon like fire suppressant.   Keep in mind that all these &quot;fire suppressants&quot; are actually in the Propane family (FM-200 is HeptaFlouroPropane).   Hydrogen can also be used in fuel cells as a backup power source especially since some gas must be removed as the airship gains altitude anyway, the limit at which no more gas can be removed due to the airship design (volume of balloonets in blimps) is known as pressure altitude.   

The advantage of vacuum over helium is not infinite but rather equal to the density of the helium which is about 0.18 g/L.   Therefore for every cubic metre, a vacuum could lift 180 grams more than helium could, even nanotechnology would have a hard time making a vacuum container that light.   With a cubic metre of helium lifting 1.072 kg and a cubic metre of vacuum lifting 1.252 kg, the advantage of vacuum over helium is 16.8% not infinity   The infinite bit is from the same flawed logic that have the general public assuming that people would explode in the vacuum of space when in reality we withstand 1 atmosphere of differential pressure quite easily.   Essentially, a gas is already an efficient a vacuum lift cell based on nanotechnology as each molecule of gas keeps a certain volume free of anything else, would heavier carbon bucky balls do any better when carbon itself is heavier than helium or hydrogen?   The volume occupied by each molar of gas is much larger than the conceivable volume of even large bucky balls.   Also how much are you willing to pay for that additional 180 grams per cubic metre.

I would love to see airships return but first there has to be a market, a better way to build them and the return of hydrogen as the mandate for helium use is unreasonable and only brought about by public fear and ignorance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rigid airships benefit from economies of scale, however the larger they are, the larger the hangar required to build them in, the smaller the potential market and the greater the investment required before cash flow is established.   Even the Zeppelin&#8217;s with the investment of their own personal fortunes, required government assistance to get started.   </p>
<p>A small blimp can easily cost 2 million dollars and even at 4 million, the size of the airship would not justify anything more than a semirigid design.   The military still funds R&amp;D into composite rigid airships but in general, airships are too large, too slow, and too easily damaged for military use.   </p>
<p>Ultimately, there are very few markets for airships due to public perception.   The current Zeppelin NT is scrambling for buyers with the concept of a rescue platform (hospital airship) being the latest proposal.</p>
<p>Somehow the cost of entry into the airship business must be lowered and markets identified.   I suspect that the most likely market will be for remotely controlled UAV high altitude communication platforms as the most likely to be profitable (small blimps, solar powered and cheaper than satellites).</p>
<p>Recreational use as a ocean liner style cruise ship also has a limited market and current ocean liners carry at least 1,000 passengers before realizing a profit.    An airship will likely carry between 50 and 100 passengers.   I don&#8217;t think passengers are going to pay 10 times the cost of an ocean cruise to just be in the air rather than on the water.</p>
<p>Personal RV&#8217;s captures a lot of imagination as it would bring a sense of personal freedom but sailing ships large enough to live on typically start at $200,000 and go up to $2,000,000.   Any personal RV airship will have to be in that range and currently only small blimps with a cramped gondola for a handful of passengers are in the top end of that range.</p>
<p>Also, hydrogen is a lot safer than the public realize, even with the Hidenburg, the hydrogen would&#8217;ve burned in a controlled fashion since it has to mix with air before it&#8217;s combustible (It was the flammable skin that started and kept the fire going) and the hydrogen were in 17 separate gas bags.   Besides, what if it was mixed with FM-200 or some other Halon like fire suppressant.   Keep in mind that all these &#8220;fire suppressants&#8221; are actually in the Propane family (FM-200 is HeptaFlouroPropane).   Hydrogen can also be used in fuel cells as a backup power source especially since some gas must be removed as the airship gains altitude anyway, the limit at which no more gas can be removed due to the airship design (volume of balloonets in blimps) is known as pressure altitude.   </p>
<p>The advantage of vacuum over helium is not infinite but rather equal to the density of the helium which is about 0.18 g/L.   Therefore for every cubic metre, a vacuum could lift 180 grams more than helium could, even nanotechnology would have a hard time making a vacuum container that light.   With a cubic metre of helium lifting 1.072 kg and a cubic metre of vacuum lifting 1.252 kg, the advantage of vacuum over helium is 16.8% not infinity   The infinite bit is from the same flawed logic that have the general public assuming that people would explode in the vacuum of space when in reality we withstand 1 atmosphere of differential pressure quite easily.   Essentially, a gas is already an efficient a vacuum lift cell based on nanotechnology as each molecule of gas keeps a certain volume free of anything else, would heavier carbon bucky balls do any better when carbon itself is heavier than helium or hydrogen?   The volume occupied by each molar of gas is much larger than the conceivable volume of even large bucky balls.   Also how much are you willing to pay for that additional 180 grams per cubic metre.</p>
<p>I would love to see airships return but first there has to be a market, a better way to build them and the return of hydrogen as the mandate for helium use is unreasonable and only brought about by public fear and ignorance.</p>
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		<title>By: Akhmeteli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Akhmeteli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 07:17:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have reasons to believe that vacuum lift can be demonstrated with today&#039;s materials. You may wish to look at our US patent application 20070001053 (11/517915). We propose an evacuated sandwich spherical shell with two thin face sheets and a light core between them. Finite element analysis confirmed that the structure using commercially available materials (e.g., boron carbide face sheets and aluminum honeycomb core) can be light enough to float in air and strong enough to withstand the atmospheric pressure with decent safety factors for strength, buckling, and intracell buckling. Actual manufacturing, while definitely possible, is not easy.
I agree that vacuum balloons cannot provide more lift than helium balloons, but they may significantly simplify altitude control.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have reasons to believe that vacuum lift can be demonstrated with today&#8217;s materials. You may wish to look at our US patent application 20070001053 (11/517915). We propose an evacuated sandwich spherical shell with two thin face sheets and a light core between them. Finite element analysis confirmed that the structure using commercially available materials (e.g., boron carbide face sheets and aluminum honeycomb core) can be light enough to float in air and strong enough to withstand the atmospheric pressure with decent safety factors for strength, buckling, and intracell buckling. Actual manufacturing, while definitely possible, is not easy.<br />
I agree that vacuum balloons cannot provide more lift than helium balloons, but they may significantly simplify altitude control.</p>
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		<title>By: lyle</title>
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		<dc:creator>lyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 06:06:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are a couple of disaster stories currently in the news, the typhoon in Burma and the earthquake in China, for which the concept of these large airships offer a particularly good solution. The destruction of the access to these hard hit areas and the enormous level of devastation, require that large amounts of supplies be delivered, but without roads or adequate airports, helicopters offer the only solution.
The concept of an airship that could deliver 500 tons of food, clothing and medical supplies to one area, at one time, would transform these kinds of rescue operations.
At the same time, whole hospitals could be located on one of these ships, or thousands of people evacuated at once. 
The issue here, with the idea of the modern airship making a comeback, is getting an airship into the air, developing a reliable track record, and demonstrating that these ships can actually do what we think they can do. 
For this to happen, we must get the airship concept out of these blogs and into more conventional media, if we are ever going to get over the kind of &quot; Hindenberg Syndrome &quot; that still holds this idea back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are a couple of disaster stories currently in the news, the typhoon in Burma and the earthquake in China, for which the concept of these large airships offer a particularly good solution. The destruction of the access to these hard hit areas and the enormous level of devastation, require that large amounts of supplies be delivered, but without roads or adequate airports, helicopters offer the only solution.<br />
The concept of an airship that could deliver 500 tons of food, clothing and medical supplies to one area, at one time, would transform these kinds of rescue operations.<br />
At the same time, whole hospitals could be located on one of these ships, or thousands of people evacuated at once.<br />
The issue here, with the idea of the modern airship making a comeback, is getting an airship into the air, developing a reliable track record, and demonstrating that these ships can actually do what we think they can do.<br />
For this to happen, we must get the airship concept out of these blogs and into more conventional media, if we are ever going to get over the kind of &#8221; Hindenberg Syndrome &#8221; that still holds this idea back.</p>
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		<title>By: Henry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 13:22:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How much</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How much</p>
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		<title>By: Goodspeed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Goodspeed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 17:30:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Goodspeed Machine Skydiving !!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Goodspeed Machine Skydiving !!!</p>
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		<title>By: Herbert Wang</title>
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		<dc:creator>Herbert Wang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 12:27:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for enlight us with a wonderful design!
As an airship fan from China,I hope to make friends with you and see more of your outstanding design!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for enlight us with a wonderful design!<br />
As an airship fan from China,I hope to make friends with you and see more of your outstanding design!</p>
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		<title>By: Jesper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jesper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 17:32:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the way to go! Airships could and should be the more democratic way to move around the planet as it&#039;s more energy efficient and cheaper per air-mile. Imagine lift capacity of 500 tons! That&#039;s theoretically 7 000 persons per flight... Evacuation suddenly became realistic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the way to go! Airships could and should be the more democratic way to move around the planet as it&#8217;s more energy efficient and cheaper per air-mile. Imagine lift capacity of 500 tons! That&#8217;s theoretically 7 000 persons per flight&#8230; Evacuation suddenly became realistic.</p>
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