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	<title>Comments on: Sand-bag houses by MMA Architects 3</title>
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		<title>By: captonian architect</title>
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		<dc:creator>captonian architect</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 20:02:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is not architecture it is low cost housing it does not inspire beauty in any way and 65 000 rand is still not cheap enough, as these people live on less then 10 rand a day</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is not architecture it is low cost housing it does not inspire beauty in any way and 65 000 rand is still not cheap enough, as these people live on less then 10 rand a day</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 21:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find this type of construction very interesting (sandbag, straw bail, cord wood, ramed earth tires...).  I wonder how long it will be until I see a Lego house. The issues I have found are finding a place to obtain experience with with these, especially on the east coast, and lack of integrating these academically whether it be design or construction. I&#039;m not sure what it is about people and culture that the majority always need to hang onto something that is obviously becoming more of a liability than efficient, it is the few that are willing to except an alternative direction and decades for it to become excepted, in this case balloon/stick construction. As material resources become strained (wood), replacement materials seem to do more harm than their benefit provides (from the individuals occupying to those constructing to the environment), and the fragility of &quot;traditional&quot; houses to weather (the original bail out by the way when every minor storm becomes a &quot;disaster area&quot; to funnel FEMA money in) these techniques should now be given serious consideration by academic institutions, designers, builders and code organization&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find this type of construction very interesting (sandbag, straw bail, cord wood, ramed earth tires&#8230;).  I wonder how long it will be until I see a Lego house. The issues I have found are finding a place to obtain experience with with these, especially on the east coast, and lack of integrating these academically whether it be design or construction. I&#8217;m not sure what it is about people and culture that the majority always need to hang onto something that is obviously becoming more of a liability than efficient, it is the few that are willing to except an alternative direction and decades for it to become excepted, in this case balloon/stick construction. As material resources become strained (wood), replacement materials seem to do more harm than their benefit provides (from the individuals occupying to those constructing to the environment), and the fragility of &#8220;traditional&#8221; houses to weather (the original bail out by the way when every minor storm becomes a &#8220;disaster area&#8221; to funnel FEMA money in) these techniques should now be given serious consideration by academic institutions, designers, builders and code organization&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: xinn z.</title>
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		<dc:creator>xinn z.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 16:17:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi there... I&#039;m just a kid here in Philippines... i knew this sandbag house project by means of a documentary video here. and i find it as an alternative solution for those who aren&#039;t have lots of money in building their house. i can&#039;t recall the name of the person who also adopt this project here but i believe in him that &quot; its better to have a shelter than nothing at all.&quot; and on his project of school made of sandbag which is dome shape with hole ventilation and artistic design... i agree that it is an architect work... good job Marcus...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi there&#8230; I&#8217;m just a kid here in Philippines&#8230; i knew this sandbag house project by means of a documentary video here. and i find it as an alternative solution for those who aren&#8217;t have lots of money in building their house. i can&#8217;t recall the name of the person who also adopt this project here but i believe in him that &#8221; its better to have a shelter than nothing at all.&#8221; and on his project of school made of sandbag which is dome shape with hole ventilation and artistic design&#8230; i agree that it is an architect work&#8230; good job Marcus&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: HarrisonEmbrey</title>
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		<dc:creator>HarrisonEmbrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 16:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll leave others to navel gaze but I do agree with those that are frustrated when a sensible solution fails to make it to the mainstream whatever its level of technical, design sophistication. Perhaps global financial meltdown will be the next revolution, when joined up thinking and sustainability meet the real world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll leave others to navel gaze but I do agree with those that are frustrated when a sensible solution fails to make it to the mainstream whatever its level of technical, design sophistication. Perhaps global financial meltdown will be the next revolution, when joined up thinking and sustainability meet the real world.</p>
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		<title>By: Stex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 21:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is ok, but real sandbag buildings are better as they are much stronger and use classic forms, domes, arches, vaults and conical towers. Almost no wood or forms or complex bondbeams or roofing trusses etc.  Sand mix needs to be moistened and have enough clay to set hard, bags need to be covered but are permenent when that is done with adobe, stucco, tile, stone or sod. Bags can be laid in footings without forms, then one bag course above finished grade to make ring for pouring finished floor slab !

http://www.calearth.org pioneered this long ago, and its used worldwide. 
folks still cling to old box structures though instead of earth homes, and closer connection to nature. Earth homes allow for full natural integrations with water features, covered with landscaping, and organic gardening in green oases now, not just austere tract structures or shanty towns.

See also, http://www.msnusers.com/alternativearchitecture for photos 
of examples adn evolutions of this. plus hundreds of related links. 

Mass produced homes are now possible using heavy equipment to make sandbags right in place even.  See also 
http://superiorsandbagsystems.com/images/onthejob/full/lafull01.jpg
Just add tamping team, barwire for mortar, and form team for windows and doors, voila ! a fine house in a couple days!

No more shanty town fires !  No more rip off mortgages !

God Bless
Steve</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is ok, but real sandbag buildings are better as they are much stronger and use classic forms, domes, arches, vaults and conical towers. Almost no wood or forms or complex bondbeams or roofing trusses etc.  Sand mix needs to be moistened and have enough clay to set hard, bags need to be covered but are permenent when that is done with adobe, stucco, tile, stone or sod. Bags can be laid in footings without forms, then one bag course above finished grade to make ring for pouring finished floor slab !</p>
<p><a href="http://www.calearth.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.calearth.org</a> pioneered this long ago, and its used worldwide.<br />
folks still cling to old box structures though instead of earth homes, and closer connection to nature. Earth homes allow for full natural integrations with water features, covered with landscaping, and organic gardening in green oases now, not just austere tract structures or shanty towns.</p>
<p>See also, <a href="http://www.msnusers.com/alternativearchitecture" rel="nofollow">http://www.msnusers.com/alternativearchitecture</a> for photos<br />
of examples adn evolutions of this. plus hundreds of related links. </p>
<p>Mass produced homes are now possible using heavy equipment to make sandbags right in place even.  See also<br />
<a href="http://superiorsandbagsystems.com/images/onthejob/full/lafull01.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://superiorsandbagsystems.com/images/onthejob/full/lafull01.jpg</a><br />
Just add tamping team, barwire for mortar, and form team for windows and doors, voila ! a fine house in a couple days!</p>
<p>No more shanty town fires !  No more rip off mortgages !</p>
<p>God Bless<br />
Steve</p>
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		<title>By: David Russell</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Russell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 13:02:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul,

you must understand that the typical South African&#039; shack is simply a tin shed, constructed using corrugated sheeting on cruedly erected timber framework. Floors are usually just the ground on which teh shack is placed, or may have loose laid flooring (timber, plastic lids etc). Insulation, if any, is often one or two layers of cardboard boxes. Residents cannot afford anything more, and more than often &#039;find&#039; the materials before having to buy them. It really is a recycling culture we have in South African townships.

Heating on the other hand is provided by liquid paraffin. As you can imagine, winter is unbearable at best, where temperatures can drop to minus 10 celsius or less. And the baking summer heat doesn&#039;t make summer any more pleasant.

So the problems you raise are already present. 

What the sand bag method of construction promotes is the idea that a dwelling can be constructed quite quickly, with little skill or resources. The cost above is still well beyond the reach of your typical shack dweller, so this would be deemed too expensive. However, the SA governement&#039;s initial ideas - I&#039;m going back 10 years now - was to provide low cost housing to it&#039;s disadvantaged citizens. This has not been entirely successful, as these citizens amount to millions of people. If I&#039;m not mistaken, they wanted to be able to provide housing that could be completed with all services for much less than R65,000 back then, and these were to be subsidised depending on income levels of the future home owners.

As I say, teh vast mojority cannot afford this, so this is an experiment into what teh government are able to provide its millions of disadvantaged people. 

This house will provide a much superior shelter, will be more insulated, and more stable. For people who really do have nothing, a project like this changes their life a lot more than Westerners would intially imagine.

On the flip side though, improvement in typologies are necessary. D H Kay in another post (http://www.dezeen.com/2008/03/22/sand-bag-houses-by-mma-architects-4/) refers to this, and I&#039;m surprised to see no development of the ideas he states, that were part of the submissions back when I was studying in SA in the early nineties - shared walls/services, higher density et al.

To see projects like this undetaken in truly rural societies is promising, but, I would like to see these ideas developed. SA, as I&#039;m sure other countries in similar situations have discovered, has been subjected to a number of proposals and experiments like this, yet these seem to stop once the build is complete...

As far as social architecture is concerned, this is wonderful work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul,</p>
<p>you must understand that the typical South African&#8217; shack is simply a tin shed, constructed using corrugated sheeting on cruedly erected timber framework. Floors are usually just the ground on which teh shack is placed, or may have loose laid flooring (timber, plastic lids etc). Insulation, if any, is often one or two layers of cardboard boxes. Residents cannot afford anything more, and more than often &#8216;find&#8217; the materials before having to buy them. It really is a recycling culture we have in South African townships.</p>
<p>Heating on the other hand is provided by liquid paraffin. As you can imagine, winter is unbearable at best, where temperatures can drop to minus 10 celsius or less. And the baking summer heat doesn&#8217;t make summer any more pleasant.</p>
<p>So the problems you raise are already present. </p>
<p>What the sand bag method of construction promotes is the idea that a dwelling can be constructed quite quickly, with little skill or resources. The cost above is still well beyond the reach of your typical shack dweller, so this would be deemed too expensive. However, the SA governement&#8217;s initial ideas &#8211; I&#8217;m going back 10 years now &#8211; was to provide low cost housing to it&#8217;s disadvantaged citizens. This has not been entirely successful, as these citizens amount to millions of people. If I&#8217;m not mistaken, they wanted to be able to provide housing that could be completed with all services for much less than R65,000 back then, and these were to be subsidised depending on income levels of the future home owners.</p>
<p>As I say, teh vast mojority cannot afford this, so this is an experiment into what teh government are able to provide its millions of disadvantaged people. </p>
<p>This house will provide a much superior shelter, will be more insulated, and more stable. For people who really do have nothing, a project like this changes their life a lot more than Westerners would intially imagine.</p>
<p>On the flip side though, improvement in typologies are necessary. D H Kay in another post (<a href="http://www.dezeen.com/2008/03/22/sand-bag-houses-by-mma-architects-4/" rel="nofollow">http://www.dezeen.com/2008/03/22/sand-bag-houses-by-mma-architects-4/</a>) refers to this, and I&#8217;m surprised to see no development of the ideas he states, that were part of the submissions back when I was studying in SA in the early nineties &#8211; shared walls/services, higher density et al.</p>
<p>To see projects like this undetaken in truly rural societies is promising, but, I would like to see these ideas developed. SA, as I&#8217;m sure other countries in similar situations have discovered, has been subjected to a number of proposals and experiments like this, yet these seem to stop once the build is complete&#8230;</p>
<p>As far as social architecture is concerned, this is wonderful work.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 21:16:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Architecture?  Hmmm.  I guess - but it doesn´t LOOK LIKE serious architecture, to me.

Don´t get me wrong, I don´t mean to badmouth the project.  If it puts people into reasonably decent housing, cheaply, and efficiently, then kudos to everyone involved.

But, wouldn´t brick be a whole lot better?  I don´t mean commercially baked brick, like we see in the US, and Europe.  That would cost a lot, because we waste so much energy.

History taught me that the Egyptians made brick long before the Euros bothered to record history.  Without googling, I believe the ingredients were nothing more than clay, straw, water, and sun.  

A sandbag is going to deteriorate quite rapidly, in comparison to a brick.  Even a poorly formed, and inadequately baked brick has more substance and durability than a bag of sand, I would think.

Sand DOES have a beneficial characteristic - that of being a good insulation, after it is dry.  So - how about a double walled brick building, with the hollow between the brick walls filled with sand?  Kinda like a thick stucco or adobe, huh?

In reality, I have to reserve judgement.  When hundreds and thousands of these sandbag buildings are finished, THEN I want to hear what the residents think of them.  Hot?  Stuffy?  Decaying, after only a year or six?  Hard to heat/cool?  Hard to keep clean? (let us not forget that the hollow spaces in the sand can harbor pests, unless the sheathing is sealed properly)

Keep us posted.  ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Architecture?  Hmmm.  I guess &#8211; but it doesn´t LOOK LIKE serious architecture, to me.</p>
<p>Don´t get me wrong, I don´t mean to badmouth the project.  If it puts people into reasonably decent housing, cheaply, and efficiently, then kudos to everyone involved.</p>
<p>But, wouldn´t brick be a whole lot better?  I don´t mean commercially baked brick, like we see in the US, and Europe.  That would cost a lot, because we waste so much energy.</p>
<p>History taught me that the Egyptians made brick long before the Euros bothered to record history.  Without googling, I believe the ingredients were nothing more than clay, straw, water, and sun.  </p>
<p>A sandbag is going to deteriorate quite rapidly, in comparison to a brick.  Even a poorly formed, and inadequately baked brick has more substance and durability than a bag of sand, I would think.</p>
<p>Sand DOES have a beneficial characteristic &#8211; that of being a good insulation, after it is dry.  So &#8211; how about a double walled brick building, with the hollow between the brick walls filled with sand?  Kinda like a thick stucco or adobe, huh?</p>
<p>In reality, I have to reserve judgement.  When hundreds and thousands of these sandbag buildings are finished, THEN I want to hear what the residents think of them.  Hot?  Stuffy?  Decaying, after only a year or six?  Hard to heat/cool?  Hard to keep clean? (let us not forget that the hollow spaces in the sand can harbor pests, unless the sheathing is sealed properly)</p>
<p>Keep us posted.  <img src='http://www.dezeen.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Mr.Blair J.Rowe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr.Blair J.Rowe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:44:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like it !!</description>
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		<title>By: thuba</title>
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		<dc:creator>thuba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 12:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Innovative but not good for cape town conditions in that they are hot and stuffy iside would like to see them .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Innovative but not good for cape town conditions in that they are hot and stuffy iside would like to see them .</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Hoyt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel Hoyt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 10:40:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a student studying architecture I find this article very interesting as it possess the question of what is or isn&#039;t architecture. Personally I think this quote said by Cameron Sinclair is most similar to my philosophy of architecture, “If you strip away all the ego in architecture … all we do is provide shelter. And if you can’t do that, you can’t call yourself an architect.” It is one thing to have the credentials of designing a beautiful new museum or sky scraper, but having the ability to change how people live creating a powerful statement in social architecture is so much powerful than the star-architect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a student studying architecture I find this article very interesting as it possess the question of what is or isn&#8217;t architecture. Personally I think this quote said by Cameron Sinclair is most similar to my philosophy of architecture, “If you strip away all the ego in architecture … all we do is provide shelter. And if you can’t do that, you can’t call yourself an architect.” It is one thing to have the credentials of designing a beautiful new museum or sky scraper, but having the ability to change how people live creating a powerful statement in social architecture is so much powerful than the star-architect.</p>
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