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	<title>Comments on: Factoreef by Julcsi Futo, Bika Rebek and Stefan Ritter</title>
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		<title>By: celine mondieu</title>
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		<dc:creator>celine mondieu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 12:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with another commenter that its logic is ornamental and it&#039;s too carpet-like (undifferentiated) to convince of its function.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with another commenter that its logic is ornamental and it&#8217;s too carpet-like (undifferentiated) to convince of its function.</p>
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		<title>By: french greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>french greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 09:09:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it looks really great!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it looks really great!!</p>
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		<title>By: Tarika</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tarika</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 14:40:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great work, beautiful project, you are budding young architect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great work, beautiful project, you are budding young architect.</p>
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		<title>By: Emanuele</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emanuele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 07:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this project has many qualities.

First, it tries to bypass the problems that many boat factories encounter: of being totally private and detached from the city (even when they are in it: think of Venice&#039;s Arsenale). The walk over the roof that leads directly to the piers and allows bystanders to see through is a good solution to this problem.

The enormous size of the project depends on the needs of the industry. Ship factories are massive by definition. This project can&#039;t avoid that but nevertheless tries to avoid the one-block/one-box solution and presents a varied, nuanced solution.

As to the formal qualities: this floral/organic trend may not be your cup of tea
But it seems to me that this is not simply ornamental, as the holes pierced through the roof help ventilation and allow for visibility. And it can hardly be denied that the junctures between pillars and the roof are not precise and well-made.
If it is ornamental it is as ornamental as the Gothic. But I think we all agree that, architecture historians have since long demonstrated that the Gothic cannot be considered purely ornamental.

The symbolism is perhaps a little too literal: pillars and holes positioned as to simulate the formal configuration of an archipelago (with its obvious associations to the sea), but - personally - i can hardly find this a major drawback.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this project has many qualities.</p>
<p>First, it tries to bypass the problems that many boat factories encounter: of being totally private and detached from the city (even when they are in it: think of Venice&#8217;s Arsenale). The walk over the roof that leads directly to the piers and allows bystanders to see through is a good solution to this problem.</p>
<p>The enormous size of the project depends on the needs of the industry. Ship factories are massive by definition. This project can&#8217;t avoid that but nevertheless tries to avoid the one-block/one-box solution and presents a varied, nuanced solution.</p>
<p>As to the formal qualities: this floral/organic trend may not be your cup of tea<br />
But it seems to me that this is not simply ornamental, as the holes pierced through the roof help ventilation and allow for visibility. And it can hardly be denied that the junctures between pillars and the roof are not precise and well-made.<br />
If it is ornamental it is as ornamental as the Gothic. But I think we all agree that, architecture historians have since long demonstrated that the Gothic cannot be considered purely ornamental.</p>
<p>The symbolism is perhaps a little too literal: pillars and holes positioned as to simulate the formal configuration of an archipelago (with its obvious associations to the sea), but &#8211; personally &#8211; i can hardly find this a major drawback.</p>
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		<title>By: peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 19:51:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>boring boring boring
making a floral ornament, build some ugly columns in a 3d program, like a braid from fat farmers wife
a roof where you dont wanna walk.
sorry guys taht I dont fall on my knees like the others in this blog.but its no architecture for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>boring boring boring<br />
making a floral ornament, build some ugly columns in a 3d program, like a braid from fat farmers wife<br />
a roof where you dont wanna walk.<br />
sorry guys taht I dont fall on my knees like the others in this blog.but its no architecture for me.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:38:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>not good, c&#039;mon! 
what are you guys talking about?!??!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>not good, c&#8217;mon!<br />
what are you guys talking about?!??!</p>
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		<title>By: dag</title>
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		<dc:creator>dag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:55:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...&quot;Can we please move beyond these shallow formal observations that ultimately betray&quot; ...     

I found betraying:

 - the scale,   -The atmosphere,  -to believe on a  picture w/o questioning it, - all it&#039;s make up..., I find this project and many of his comments a betrayal in the very sense as described above...  


Despite all the beauty, I am still missing any kind of essence or intensity... ... ... Is ghost that no even insists to be real...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;&#8221;Can we please move beyond these shallow formal observations that ultimately betray&#8221; &#8230;     </p>
<p>I found betraying:</p>
<p> &#8211; the scale,   -The atmosphere,  -to believe on a  picture w/o questioning it, &#8211; all it&#8217;s make up&#8230;, I find this project and many of his comments a betrayal in the very sense as described above&#8230;  </p>
<p>Despite all the beauty, I am still missing any kind of essence or intensity&#8230; &#8230; &#8230; Is ghost that no even insists to be real&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: grego</title>
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		<dc:creator>grego</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 09:28:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great work guys! 

The fact that this is a student project is largely irrelevant,  as is harshly judging a project, any project, for its geometric regularity (box) or irregularity (non-box) alone.  Can we please move beyond these shallow formal observations that ultimately betray, if anything else, aesthetic insecurities?

 Instead, we should realize that we are in a moment where many approaches to design co-exist and are in dialog with each other (just look at the diversity of entries in this forum!), and that an active investigation of form, systems, technologies, uses of program, cultural relevance, and social and environmental applications are being tested in a variety of ways.  Thus, we should evaluate this project not only as a creative endeavor but also as an investigation of the abovementioned. 

As such, I think J, B, and S have presented a compelling proposal that attempts to address atmospheric qualities with environmental concerns.  And its well presented.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great work guys! </p>
<p>The fact that this is a student project is largely irrelevant,  as is harshly judging a project, any project, for its geometric regularity (box) or irregularity (non-box) alone.  Can we please move beyond these shallow formal observations that ultimately betray, if anything else, aesthetic insecurities?</p>
<p> Instead, we should realize that we are in a moment where many approaches to design co-exist and are in dialog with each other (just look at the diversity of entries in this forum!), and that an active investigation of form, systems, technologies, uses of program, cultural relevance, and social and environmental applications are being tested in a variety of ways.  Thus, we should evaluate this project not only as a creative endeavor but also as an investigation of the abovementioned. </p>
<p>As such, I think J, B, and S have presented a compelling proposal that attempts to address atmospheric qualities with environmental concerns.  And its well presented.</p>
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		<title>By: xtiaan</title>
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		<dc:creator>xtiaan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 09:12:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it looks like one of the blades for my blender

BRILLIANT!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it looks like one of the blades for my blender</p>
<p>BRILLIANT!</p>
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		<title>By: Esa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Esa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 09:27:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it makes a statement</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it makes a statement</p>
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