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	<title>Comments on: Quarto Ponte sul Canal Grande by Santiago Calatrava</title>
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		<title>By: Guillermo Lumbreras</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guillermo Lumbreras</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 13:16:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I´ve been there in Venice twice this year, and even you would say that the bridge looks great, magnificent or bla bla bla, it´s just a useless beatiful structure.

It´s very difficult to cross it if you have your luggage with you (and most people is coming from the station, so they are all carrying their big bags).There is no ramp, no elevator, no nothing... not even mention disabled (wheelchair) people!

Second point is that when you are about to cross it, there is a big announcement which says that if you are carrying something (bags, luggage, whatever) which exceed more than (i guess it says 30kg) then you cannot cross by that bridge. Which for my way to see things, the structure is not really good enough or it was just made for slim, able (that both of your legs are just perfect) and without carying anything... stupid  thing!!!

Third point. I don´t understand why there are these glass steps if you cannot see anything under the bridge, it just made it more expensive that what it was already.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I´ve been there in Venice twice this year, and even you would say that the bridge looks great, magnificent or bla bla bla, it´s just a useless beatiful structure.</p>
<p>It´s very difficult to cross it if you have your luggage with you (and most people is coming from the station, so they are all carrying their big bags).There is no ramp, no elevator, no nothing&#8230; not even mention disabled (wheelchair) people!</p>
<p>Second point is that when you are about to cross it, there is a big announcement which says that if you are carrying something (bags, luggage, whatever) which exceed more than (i guess it says 30kg) then you cannot cross by that bridge. Which for my way to see things, the structure is not really good enough or it was just made for slim, able (that both of your legs are just perfect) and without carying anything&#8230; stupid  thing!!!</p>
<p>Third point. I don´t understand why there are these glass steps if you cannot see anything under the bridge, it just made it more expensive that what it was already.</p>
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		<title>By: mahrous</title>
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		<dc:creator>mahrous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 12:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it looks like a fish skeleton and the finishing is really great</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it looks like a fish skeleton and the finishing is really great</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Irvine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Irvine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 22:41:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If there is to be a wheelchair lift then the disabled access is better; the steps are a VERY gentle introduction to the bridges of Venice, and wheelchair access is very difficult in the rest of the City; this may alter in the future, and a through-route devised, failing this the solution is pay even more for your holiday in Venice and engage a Porter at the station who will certainly be capable of getting a wheelchair over all of the bridges -they also transport luggage if you cannot manage that either. Bear in mind that, disabled or not, a holiday in Venice WILL be expensive, but the Vaporetti are more accessible than most City road busses and the Staff are almost always extremely helpful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If there is to be a wheelchair lift then the disabled access is better; the steps are a VERY gentle introduction to the bridges of Venice, and wheelchair access is very difficult in the rest of the City; this may alter in the future, and a through-route devised, failing this the solution is pay even more for your holiday in Venice and engage a Porter at the station who will certainly be capable of getting a wheelchair over all of the bridges -they also transport luggage if you cannot manage that either. Bear in mind that, disabled or not, a holiday in Venice WILL be expensive, but the Vaporetti are more accessible than most City road busses and the Staff are almost always extremely helpful.</p>
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		<title>By: mickeycz</title>
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		<dc:creator>mickeycz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 22:25:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most of the bridges in Venice have steps on them, and Ponte Scalzi certainly has a lot of steps. One sound you get used to at all hours is the sound of wheeled luggage on the calle, then being pulled one step at a time up and over the bridges.  Likewise strollers are a struggle for travellers to get across bridges.  On one of the islands there was a lift over for a wheelchair. I assume it was needed be a resident nearby and the accommodation was made.

I know it is a struggle to travel with handicaps, (and I include very small clueless children here) but the bridges cannot be flattened with the boat traffic there.  There are also very few buildings with an elevator in Venice, so we count the steps to the door we go to. By law, and due to acqua alta, the ground floor cannot be inhabited in Venice.

My sister in law wanted to see the apartment where she grew up and barely recognized it as the two rios there are no more. The city filled in and paved them over.

Venice also has &quot;streets&quot; that would be too narrow for a wheelchair.

I love Venice. If I became handicapped, though, I would have to think very hard about travel to it</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most of the bridges in Venice have steps on them, and Ponte Scalzi certainly has a lot of steps. One sound you get used to at all hours is the sound of wheeled luggage on the calle, then being pulled one step at a time up and over the bridges.  Likewise strollers are a struggle for travellers to get across bridges.  On one of the islands there was a lift over for a wheelchair. I assume it was needed be a resident nearby and the accommodation was made.</p>
<p>I know it is a struggle to travel with handicaps, (and I include very small clueless children here) but the bridges cannot be flattened with the boat traffic there.  There are also very few buildings with an elevator in Venice, so we count the steps to the door we go to. By law, and due to acqua alta, the ground floor cannot be inhabited in Venice.</p>
<p>My sister in law wanted to see the apartment where she grew up and barely recognized it as the two rios there are no more. The city filled in and paved them over.</p>
<p>Venice also has &#8220;streets&#8221; that would be too narrow for a wheelchair.</p>
<p>I love Venice. If I became handicapped, though, I would have to think very hard about travel to it</p>
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		<title>By: Nuno Rafael Relvão</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nuno Rafael Relvão</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 14:52:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello,

I am a master of architecture student and I was in Venice yesterday. I crossed the bridge and even for me, a 25 year old healthy and fit man, the steps were amazingly unconfortable.

The ultimate problem with this bridge to me is that it could very simply have been done without steps: if you pay attention to the lower part of it you can see that the skeleton actually has a toll of maybe two to three meters in the heightness of the bridge, so if its aim were to create the tray of the bridge as lower as he could the bridge could almos seem horizontal.

What Calatrava obviously did was to selfishly - as somebody said here before - put his design before the inhabitants period

And I agree with the guy that said that if you have this then you neither have architecture nor design. It is an action of the same degree as to make all the bridges in Venice flat and stop the boats from navigating in the canals.

And I saw an old man in the middle of Venice in a wheelchair being help to cross the bridges only with the assistance of his, also old, wife. Should they not have one less bridge to cross as an obstacle? And what about people who want to go to the train station?

A healthy person may spend a nice time in Venice using all the bridges but to go to the train station with the luggage at the end of their staying they will have one more BIG bridge to cross.

Either in wheelchair or not it would be much simpler without the steps, and like I said before, it could have been easily done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello,</p>
<p>I am a master of architecture student and I was in Venice yesterday. I crossed the bridge and even for me, a 25 year old healthy and fit man, the steps were amazingly unconfortable.</p>
<p>The ultimate problem with this bridge to me is that it could very simply have been done without steps: if you pay attention to the lower part of it you can see that the skeleton actually has a toll of maybe two to three meters in the heightness of the bridge, so if its aim were to create the tray of the bridge as lower as he could the bridge could almos seem horizontal.</p>
<p>What Calatrava obviously did was to selfishly &#8211; as somebody said here before &#8211; put his design before the inhabitants period</p>
<p>And I agree with the guy that said that if you have this then you neither have architecture nor design. It is an action of the same degree as to make all the bridges in Venice flat and stop the boats from navigating in the canals.</p>
<p>And I saw an old man in the middle of Venice in a wheelchair being help to cross the bridges only with the assistance of his, also old, wife. Should they not have one less bridge to cross as an obstacle? And what about people who want to go to the train station?</p>
<p>A healthy person may spend a nice time in Venice using all the bridges but to go to the train station with the luggage at the end of their staying they will have one more BIG bridge to cross.</p>
<p>Either in wheelchair or not it would be much simpler without the steps, and like I said before, it could have been easily done.</p>
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		<title>By: blossom</title>
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		<dc:creator>blossom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 14:38:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i love its slim construction, shape like boneless tunna meat, its wonderful light lines, its interplay with surroundings, but !! it&#039;s absolutely barrier  !!
I had a problem with my roller baggage, so what about handicappeds? 
(student of architecture)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i love its slim construction, shape like boneless tunna meat, its wonderful light lines, its interplay with surroundings, but !! it&#8217;s absolutely barrier  !!<br />
I had a problem with my roller baggage, so what about handicappeds?<br />
(student of architecture)</p>
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		<title>By: K Chaloner</title>
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		<dc:creator>K Chaloner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 15:17:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As the wife of an adventurous, design-loving -- and wheelchair-bound -- world traveller, I like the bridge, and accept that it might not be crossed by the two of us together BUT wish that the architecture and design world at large could take accessibilty more into account when creating the spaces of the future, making &#039;small steps for mankind&#039; (such as Calatrava&#039;s newest creation) into giant strides instead!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As the wife of an adventurous, design-loving &#8212; and wheelchair-bound &#8212; world traveller, I like the bridge, and accept that it might not be crossed by the two of us together BUT wish that the architecture and design world at large could take accessibilty more into account when creating the spaces of the future, making &#8217;small steps for mankind&#8217; (such as Calatrava&#8217;s newest creation) into giant strides instead!</p>
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		<title>By: Carliz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carliz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 07:40:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>123....yyyy......FEO CON COJONES!!!!!
Norman Foster hubiera sido la elección acertada. Integra infinitamente mejor en entornos clásicos.
Lástima.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>123&#8230;.yyyy&#8230;&#8230;FEO CON COJONES!!!!!<br />
Norman Foster hubiera sido la elección acertada. Integra infinitamente mejor en entornos clásicos.<br />
Lástima.</p>
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		<title>By: Stiletto Wheels</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stiletto Wheels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 16:09:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, as a former non-wheelchair user who has visited Venice, I salute its&#039; beauty.  As someone who is now a wheelchair user, I burn with indignation at the prejudice shown to the mobility impaired by so many of those who have commented here.

Not many wheelchairs users would expect an old city to be pulled apart in attempting to give access to the mobility impaired but we would expect evolution towards access to be evident - especially where significant public money is being spent.  There is little enjoyment, to my mind, in modern design that is not inclusive.  Incorporating access should surely be a presumption for great design in a world where we now cherish equality.

To say that it is OK to exercise prejudice because it has been OK in previous times or because it is redundant in this situation is no excuse.  We evolve do we not..in attitude and design?  Maybe some of us do not!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, as a former non-wheelchair user who has visited Venice, I salute its&#8217; beauty.  As someone who is now a wheelchair user, I burn with indignation at the prejudice shown to the mobility impaired by so many of those who have commented here.</p>
<p>Not many wheelchairs users would expect an old city to be pulled apart in attempting to give access to the mobility impaired but we would expect evolution towards access to be evident &#8211; especially where significant public money is being spent.  There is little enjoyment, to my mind, in modern design that is not inclusive.  Incorporating access should surely be a presumption for great design in a world where we now cherish equality.</p>
<p>To say that it is OK to exercise prejudice because it has been OK in previous times or because it is redundant in this situation is no excuse.  We evolve do we not..in attitude and design?  Maybe some of us do not!</p>
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		<title>By: quik</title>
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		<dc:creator>quik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 14:15:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ok. I HAVE BEEN TO VENICE WITH A FRIEND OF MINE WHO IS HANDICAPPED.
Do I really need to convince someone that it was quite tiredning to pull him with the wheelchair up the stairs on almost every single bridge? I can reassure that it would be definetly better to have AT LEAST one more bridge with a ramp. I am not trying to say you have to bulldozer all the bridges and subsitute with flat ones, but come on, if you&#039;re building a new one!!
Do you really believe that handicapped persons dont have right to go to Venice? (and dont forget their friends)
in thet case you have to be quite convinced that nothing ever happens to you.. good luck!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ok. I HAVE BEEN TO VENICE WITH A FRIEND OF MINE WHO IS HANDICAPPED.<br />
Do I really need to convince someone that it was quite tiredning to pull him with the wheelchair up the stairs on almost every single bridge? I can reassure that it would be definetly better to have AT LEAST one more bridge with a ramp. I am not trying to say you have to bulldozer all the bridges and subsitute with flat ones, but come on, if you&#8217;re building a new one!!<br />
Do you really believe that handicapped persons dont have right to go to Venice? (and dont forget their friends)<br />
in thet case you have to be quite convinced that nothing ever happens to you.. good luck!</p>
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