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		<title>By: Drew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 16:30:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this guy is way better.
http://www.matthias-studio.com/render/render_page.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this guy is way better.<br />
<a href="http://www.matthias-studio.com/render/render_page.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.matthias-studio.com/render/render_page.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jenna B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jenna B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 17:17:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This looks like a poor rip-off of Pliessnig&#039;s work. Go to his website at www.matthias-studio.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This looks like a poor rip-off of Pliessnig&#8217;s work. Go to his website at <a href="http://www.matthias-studio.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.matthias-studio.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Hayden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hayden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 01:07:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great discussion -  how would we feel if David busted out a zig-zag folded cardboard chairsat Milan next year . . or a wave form Titanium roof for an Architectural project. Exactly. - why would he ?

Maybe he would if he was bored, wasn&#039;t enthralled by the breif, so looks for a suitable current trend by other prominent designers, mods it a bit. . . and be done. 

next.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great discussion &#8211;  how would we feel if David busted out a zig-zag folded cardboard chairsat Milan next year . . or a wave form Titanium roof for an Architectural project. Exactly. &#8211; why would he ?</p>
<p>Maybe he would if he was bored, wasn&#8217;t enthralled by the breif, so looks for a suitable current trend by other prominent designers, mods it a bit. . . and be done. </p>
<p>next.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Goulder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Goulder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 23:23:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmmmm  - If I was David Trubridge I would be offended.  I agree a firm such as the Gehry studio&#039;s need to be innovative - these are the people the world looks up to. The challenge of design in this day and age is to find a voice in a world where everything has been seemingly done. That is what makes a difference or makes a designer stand out from the rest (the ability to be yourself and not be similar) Re hashed ideas are so boring. I would say the accolade should go to the crafts person who made this beautiful form.. Tomas is the one who realized this piece, sure he was under instruction from Gehry Studio but one wonders just how much instruction a non crafts based design studio could give on such a complex structure.. Maybe a few sketches......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmmmm  &#8211; If I was David Trubridge I would be offended.  I agree a firm such as the Gehry studio&#8217;s need to be innovative &#8211; these are the people the world looks up to. The challenge of design in this day and age is to find a voice in a world where everything has been seemingly done. That is what makes a difference or makes a designer stand out from the rest (the ability to be yourself and not be similar) Re hashed ideas are so boring. I would say the accolade should go to the crafts person who made this beautiful form.. Tomas is the one who realized this piece, sure he was under instruction from Gehry Studio but one wonders just how much instruction a non crafts based design studio could give on such a complex structure.. Maybe a few sketches&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: David Trubridge</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Trubridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 05:53:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I acknowledge &#039;andrew&#039;s&#039; comment, and would agree if it was only &#039;self promotion&#039;.  But I hope this is about stimulating discussion, (and later posts show that).  That is the great value of these forums -- I don&#039;t see the point in just saying &quot;amazing&quot;!  (and at least I didn&#039;t hide behind anonymity!  Maybe it is not &#039;cool&#039; for designers to be involved themselves . . . ?) 

So to promote discussion: of course we all owe a debt to someone in the past.  It is the baton principle.  For me it was Richard Deacon.  The issue is not where you came from but what you do with it.  When I started this sort of work in the late 90s I was doing much more complex, craft based work, but made the decision to steer the idea towards designs that could be more easily produced in numbers -- hence more regular sections and no (where possible) twist of the sticks.  

Mathias is a superb craftsman, who has  also mastered computer modeling, and recently took up the baton to push the idea back in the direction of more craft-based objects which could only ever be one-offs, or very limited editions.  I think his work is amazing, and I am sure he would acknowledge his precedents (which also include Donald Fortescue in the Look series).

However Gehry Studios, in my opinion, do nothing new, simply creating different forms in the same manner.  If it was some unknown studio trying to make their way it would bother me less, but this is one of the very best architectural/design studios in the world, and they don&#039;t need to do this.  Or at least they could take the baton and see how far they can run with it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I acknowledge &#8216;andrew&#8217;s&#8217; comment, and would agree if it was only &#8217;self promotion&#8217;.  But I hope this is about stimulating discussion, (and later posts show that).  That is the great value of these forums &#8212; I don&#8217;t see the point in just saying &#8220;amazing&#8221;!  (and at least I didn&#8217;t hide behind anonymity!  Maybe it is not &#8216;cool&#8217; for designers to be involved themselves . . . ?) </p>
<p>So to promote discussion: of course we all owe a debt to someone in the past.  It is the baton principle.  For me it was Richard Deacon.  The issue is not where you came from but what you do with it.  When I started this sort of work in the late 90s I was doing much more complex, craft based work, but made the decision to steer the idea towards designs that could be more easily produced in numbers &#8212; hence more regular sections and no (where possible) twist of the sticks.  </p>
<p>Mathias is a superb craftsman, who has  also mastered computer modeling, and recently took up the baton to push the idea back in the direction of more craft-based objects which could only ever be one-offs, or very limited editions.  I think his work is amazing, and I am sure he would acknowledge his precedents (which also include Donald Fortescue in the Look series).</p>
<p>However Gehry Studios, in my opinion, do nothing new, simply creating different forms in the same manner.  If it was some unknown studio trying to make their way it would bother me less, but this is one of the very best architectural/design studios in the world, and they don&#8217;t need to do this.  Or at least they could take the baton and see how far they can run with it!</p>
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		<title>By: susan</title>
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		<dc:creator>susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 17:53:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congratulations on a really beautiful piece.  And, as an example to other established design firms, congratulations to the Gehry office for acknowledging the collaborative nature of design in crediting a new young designer, Claire Imatani, alongside Craig Webb.  Young bright minds are critical to infusing a brand name firm with new energy.  Generosity shown in crediting them gives them a springboard and us the opportunity to learn who to watch for...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congratulations on a really beautiful piece.  And, as an example to other established design firms, congratulations to the Gehry office for acknowledging the collaborative nature of design in crediting a new young designer, Claire Imatani, alongside Craig Webb.  Young bright minds are critical to infusing a brand name firm with new energy.  Generosity shown in crediting them gives them a springboard and us the opportunity to learn who to watch for&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: White Phosphorus</title>
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		<dc:creator>White Phosphorus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 13:59:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I take that back, Pliessnig creates a rugged finish in in his &quot;Delapidated Flow&quot; 2007 http://www.matthias-studio.com/furniture/furniture_page.html# but for an entirely different effect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I take that back, Pliessnig creates a rugged finish in in his &#8220;Delapidated Flow&#8221; 2007 <a href="http://www.matthias-studio.com/furniture/furniture_page.html#" rel="nofollow">http://www.matthias-studio.com/furniture/furniture_page.html#</a> but for an entirely different effect.</p>
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		<title>By: White Phosphorus</title>
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		<dc:creator>White Phosphorus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 13:50:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think its fantastic that we can recall similar designs to the ones posted here.  If design is an organic process then similar mutations are to be expected and perhaps encouraged as the product is refined.  Notice the subtle nuances differentiating the three designers mentioned so far.  Each adds his/her own particular quality into the equation.  It is this subtlety that makes all the differences.

Have you noticed how Ghery finishes the tail of his structure with quite a coarse ending of somewhat ruggedly cut reeds?  This adds to the &quot;whooosh&quot; effect of the dynamic snakelike form he has created.  This is not to be observed in Pliessnig nor Trubridge, who prefer to trim their structures with rather more geometrically defined finish.  Not that  Ghery&#039;s stance is superior in any way, indeed, there is a certain degree of impracticality to this feature, including the possibility of tearing ones tights!

There is also great elegance in the parallelinearity of the seating and the reeds are sufficiently spaced so as to give a true impression of translucency (again a subtle differentiator to the work of say, Pliessnig, who seems to prefer closer spacing)   I would love to sit on this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think its fantastic that we can recall similar designs to the ones posted here.  If design is an organic process then similar mutations are to be expected and perhaps encouraged as the product is refined.  Notice the subtle nuances differentiating the three designers mentioned so far.  Each adds his/her own particular quality into the equation.  It is this subtlety that makes all the differences.</p>
<p>Have you noticed how Ghery finishes the tail of his structure with quite a coarse ending of somewhat ruggedly cut reeds?  This adds to the &#8220;whooosh&#8221; effect of the dynamic snakelike form he has created.  This is not to be observed in Pliessnig nor Trubridge, who prefer to trim their structures with rather more geometrically defined finish.  Not that  Ghery&#8217;s stance is superior in any way, indeed, there is a certain degree of impracticality to this feature, including the possibility of tearing ones tights!</p>
<p>There is also great elegance in the parallelinearity of the seating and the reeds are sufficiently spaced so as to give a true impression of translucency (again a subtle differentiator to the work of say, Pliessnig, who seems to prefer closer spacing)   I would love to sit on this.</p>
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		<title>By: Xit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Xit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 09:10:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always think of Newson&#039;s beech chair from 1988 when I see this type  of construction as opposed to the work of Trubridge or Mathias.

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_ZaflhHmPfBE/R7tdeWolkQI/AAAAAAAADaM/9P2QtYEuP3s/woodenchair0001.jpg

Anyhow if we delve into design history im sure someone did something similar a long time ago. 

Also nobody owns the exclusive rights to designing in steamed wood, its like saying because a design is made from formed plywood its an &quot;Eames rip off.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always think of Newson&#8217;s beech chair from 1988 when I see this type  of construction as opposed to the work of Trubridge or Mathias.</p>
<p><a href="http://lh6.ggpht.com/_ZaflhHmPfBE/R7tdeWolkQI/AAAAAAAADaM/9P2QtYEuP3s/woodenchair0001.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://lh6.ggpht.com/_ZaflhHmPfBE/R7tdeWolkQI/AAAAAAAADaM/9P2QtYEuP3s/woodenchair0001.jpg</a></p>
<p>Anyhow if we delve into design history im sure someone did something similar a long time ago. </p>
<p>Also nobody owns the exclusive rights to designing in steamed wood, its like saying because a design is made from formed plywood its an &#8220;Eames rip off.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: OKP</title>
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		<dc:creator>OKP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 22:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>andrew i agree..

also mathias hs work is muchhh more exciting to see and shape then davids.. 
I was surprised finding designer commenting on this by saying &#039; do you own stuff&#039;
david. better mail gehry personally if it bothers you so much..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>andrew i agree..</p>
<p>also mathias hs work is muchhh more exciting to see and shape then davids..<br />
I was surprised finding designer commenting on this by saying &#8216; do you own stuff&#8217;<br />
david. better mail gehry personally if it bothers you so much..</p>
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