Comments on: Inside Out – Outside In by Rocker-Lange Architects http://www.dezeen.com/2008/11/28/inside-out-outside-in-by-rocker-lange-architects/ architecture and design magazine Sat, 21 Nov 2009 17:19:17 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: vortekxt http://www.dezeen.com/2008/11/28/inside-out-outside-in-by-rocker-lange-architects/comment-page-1/#comment-213654 vortekxt Thu, 04 Dec 2008 08:39:32 +0000 http://www.dezeen.com/2008/11/28/inside-out-outside-in-by-rocker-lange-architects/#comment-213654 Kangnar: "wined and dined at the nicest hotel in Mongolia"? I'm pretty sure they stayed at the Holiday Inn (there are pics of the group there online); and "given an almost unlimited budget"? I believe not only was the budget not unlimited, but it was relatively modest in fact... Kangnar: “wined and dined at the nicest hotel in Mongolia”? I’m pretty sure they stayed at the Holiday Inn (there are pics of the group there online); and “given an almost unlimited budget”? I believe not only was the budget not unlimited, but it was relatively modest in fact…

]]> By: charlotte http://www.dezeen.com/2008/11/28/inside-out-outside-in-by-rocker-lange-architects/comment-page-1/#comment-212755 charlotte Mon, 01 Dec 2008 09:24:13 +0000 http://www.dezeen.com/2008/11/28/inside-out-outside-in-by-rocker-lange-architects/#comment-212755 to Tyler: I had the exact same thing. This totally reminds me of villa Savoye! to Tyler:
I had the exact same thing. This totally reminds me of villa Savoye!

]]> By: Kangnar http://www.dezeen.com/2008/11/28/inside-out-outside-in-by-rocker-lange-architects/comment-page-1/#comment-212429 Kangnar Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:34:36 +0000 http://www.dezeen.com/2008/11/28/inside-out-outside-in-by-rocker-lange-architects/#comment-212429 I find it important to remember that these architects are working under one of the most opulent of contexts. They have been personally flown to the middle of nowhere, wined and dined at the nicest hotel in Mongolia, introduced to their client (who happens to be one of the richest billionaires in China) and given an almost unlimited budged. On their own, the projects that I have seen from ORDOS have interesting qualities , but because of the circumstance, it is fitting that some projects don't focus on contextual relationships. After one site visit the architects are given a little over 100 days to complete the design of their residence. It seems that some of the designers are split between making design decisions along the need to impress, with dynamic or conceptual form making, and the pressures that normally afflict architects when dealing with average clients. I do find it interesting to watch what is happening, and to watch how different architects try to respond to this opportunity. Some it seems, weren't sure how serious to take the project, and some have presented moderately interesting proposals within the 100 day time restraint. I find it important to remember that these architects are working under one of the most opulent of contexts. They have been personally flown to the middle of nowhere, wined and dined at the nicest hotel in Mongolia, introduced to their client (who happens to be one of the richest billionaires in China) and given an almost unlimited budged.

On their own, the projects that I have seen from ORDOS have interesting qualities , but because of the circumstance, it is fitting that some projects don’t focus on contextual relationships. After one site visit the architects are given a little over 100 days to complete the design of their residence.

It seems that some of the designers are split between making design decisions along the need to impress, with dynamic or conceptual form making, and the pressures that normally afflict architects when dealing with average clients.

I do find it interesting to watch what is happening, and to watch how different architects try to respond to this opportunity. Some it seems, weren’t sure how serious to take the project, and some have presented moderately interesting proposals within the 100 day time restraint.

]]> By: Anthony http://www.dezeen.com/2008/11/28/inside-out-outside-in-by-rocker-lange-architects/comment-page-1/#comment-212236 Anthony Sun, 30 Nov 2008 09:54:34 +0000 http://www.dezeen.com/2008/11/28/inside-out-outside-in-by-rocker-lange-architects/#comment-212236 From what has been presented of the Ordos 100 projects so far on Dezeen, many of the proposals do not seem to address the fact that the allocated house 'plots' are within a fairly (sub)urban site plan. This is often reinforced by the way that the projects are presented (i.e. in open space), and perhaps therefore suggests that this factor was not duly considered in the individual designs. Although this project is by no means the biggest culprit, there are some issues with the extent of the ground floor glazing, half of which looks onto a fence / wall. I can understand the difficulty in addressing the unknown of what will be proposed next door, and obviously this comes with the territory considering the masterplanning concept - 100 houses x 100 architects, but it does not change the fact that you know in advance that you will have neighbors and that this should perhaps be considered in the designs. On the positive side, I am sure that the contrasting approaches will result in a very interesting neighborhood to live in. Do we have any details about what the brief requirements were? From what has been presented of the Ordos 100 projects so far on Dezeen, many of the proposals do not seem to address the fact that the allocated house ‘plots’ are within a fairly (sub)urban site plan. This is often reinforced by the way that the projects are presented (i.e. in open space), and perhaps therefore suggests that this factor was not duly considered in the individual designs. Although this project is by no means the biggest culprit, there are some issues with the extent of the ground floor glazing, half of which looks onto a fence / wall.

I can understand the difficulty in addressing the unknown of what will be proposed next door, and obviously this comes with the territory considering the masterplanning concept – 100 houses x 100 architects, but it does not change the fact that you know in advance that you will have neighbors and that this should perhaps be considered in the designs.

On the positive side, I am sure that the contrasting approaches will result in a very interesting neighborhood to live in. Do we have any details about what the brief requirements were?

]]> By: wxcr7 http://www.dezeen.com/2008/11/28/inside-out-outside-in-by-rocker-lange-architects/comment-page-1/#comment-212140 wxcr7 Sun, 30 Nov 2008 05:28:32 +0000 http://www.dezeen.com/2008/11/28/inside-out-outside-in-by-rocker-lange-architects/#comment-212140 betuwill - I'm not so sure about the zaha-esque camera angles. I think the building is actually skewed like that. Check out the sections (and even the plans). And I'm thinking those triangular courtyards (pretty easy to find on the plans) are a lot more like landscaped light wells then programed spaces. Which, in my opinion is a rather nice response to what I have seen of the climate and landscape surrounding the project. Overall, I'm kinda liking it. betuwill – I’m not so sure about the zaha-esque camera angles. I think the building is actually skewed like that. Check out the sections (and even the plans).

And I’m thinking those triangular courtyards (pretty easy to find on the plans) are a lot more like landscaped light wells then programed spaces. Which, in my opinion is a rather nice response to what I have seen of the climate and landscape surrounding the project.

Overall, I’m kinda liking it.

]]> By: Mad Scientist http://www.dezeen.com/2008/11/28/inside-out-outside-in-by-rocker-lange-architects/comment-page-1/#comment-211951 Mad Scientist Sat, 29 Nov 2008 19:11:10 +0000 http://www.dezeen.com/2008/11/28/inside-out-outside-in-by-rocker-lange-architects/#comment-211951 The strategy of making strange angles to make a project more interesting is not interesting. the stripe of water between two stairs neither. poor. The strategy of making strange angles to make a project more interesting is not interesting. the stripe of water between two stairs neither. poor.

]]> By: Bruno http://www.dezeen.com/2008/11/28/inside-out-outside-in-by-rocker-lange-architects/comment-page-1/#comment-211903 Bruno Sat, 29 Nov 2008 13:07:33 +0000 http://www.dezeen.com/2008/11/28/inside-out-outside-in-by-rocker-lange-architects/#comment-211903 useless triagular courtyards? i dont see them in the plans. Once more what I see is this super white shapes + glass. A project called “Inside Out|Outside In”, wich all diagrams shows inside parameters, and absolutelly no relation with the outside enviroment. A 2 material building on Inner Mongolia, China... useless triagular courtyards? i dont see them in the plans.
Once more what I see is this super white shapes + glass. A project called “Inside Out|Outside In”, wich all diagrams shows inside parameters, and absolutelly no relation with the outside enviroment. A 2 material building on Inner Mongolia, China…

]]> By: fly http://www.dezeen.com/2008/11/28/inside-out-outside-in-by-rocker-lange-architects/comment-page-1/#comment-211884 fly Sat, 29 Nov 2008 10:22:54 +0000 http://www.dezeen.com/2008/11/28/inside-out-outside-in-by-rocker-lange-architects/#comment-211884 betuwill: Pardon me, but I need some enlightenment. Zaha 12 degree camera angle? Well, about this project, I quite like the direction of the interwoven concept development. However it's a tad cliche and it seems rather under-developed for me. For example, some of the interior spaces are odd. The smaller block looks quite detached from the rest of the house and I'm not very sure about this, but the tiny plan seems to be telling me that you could have heading towards some dead ends there. "Interwoven" merely on plan, yet no "Interwoven" in circulation? But hey, nice renderings. betuwill:
Pardon me, but I need some enlightenment. Zaha 12 degree camera angle?

Well, about this project, I quite like the direction of the interwoven concept development. However it’s a tad cliche and it seems rather under-developed for me. For example, some of the interior spaces are odd. The smaller block looks quite detached from the rest of the house and I’m not very sure about this, but the tiny plan seems to be telling me that you could have heading towards some dead ends there. “Interwoven” merely on plan, yet no “Interwoven” in circulation?

But hey, nice renderings.

]]> By: Tyler http://www.dezeen.com/2008/11/28/inside-out-outside-in-by-rocker-lange-architects/comment-page-1/#comment-211876 Tyler Sat, 29 Nov 2008 09:35:15 +0000 http://www.dezeen.com/2008/11/28/inside-out-outside-in-by-rocker-lange-architects/#comment-211876 It reminds me a lot of Villa Savoy! It reminds me a lot of Villa Savoy!

]]> By: gaque http://www.dezeen.com/2008/11/28/inside-out-outside-in-by-rocker-lange-architects/comment-page-1/#comment-211875 gaque Sat, 29 Nov 2008 09:34:56 +0000 http://www.dezeen.com/2008/11/28/inside-out-outside-in-by-rocker-lange-architects/#comment-211875 I'm with betuwill on this one...why the camera angle? I think there are some interesting spaces in this house, judging from the plans, but the presentation overall doesn't seem to play to those strengths. The diagrams are OK, but maybe oversimplified (if an oversimplified diagram is possible--I suppose that's the point). For such a 3d concept (the strip that weaves around itself), the sections looks awfully conventional. I would've drawn the sections through different areas. The renderings are a little object-oriented...I mean, getting nice shots from the exterior exclusively. I think it would be cool to see how those moire window slats appear from the interior rooms. Some people in the perspectives would also help a lot. And what the hell am I going to do on the roof garden? It's a barren concrete yard...not fun in the slightest. With all this said, I think they have some other interesting projects on their website. I’m with betuwill on this one…why the camera angle? I think there are some interesting spaces in this house, judging from the plans, but the presentation overall doesn’t seem to play to those strengths. The diagrams are OK, but maybe oversimplified (if an oversimplified diagram is possible–I suppose that’s the point).

For such a 3d concept (the strip that weaves around itself), the sections looks awfully conventional. I would’ve drawn the sections through different areas.

The renderings are a little object-oriented…I mean, getting nice shots from the exterior exclusively. I think it would be cool to see how those moire window slats appear from the interior rooms. Some people in the perspectives would also help a lot.

And what the hell am I going to do on the roof garden? It’s a barren concrete yard…not fun in the slightest. With all this said, I think they have some other interesting projects on their website.

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