Comments on: Ikea PS Collection in Milan http://www.dezeen.com/2009/05/04/ikea-ps-collection-in-milan/ architecture and design magazine Fri, 19 Mar 2010 17:37:18 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: xtiaan http://www.dezeen.com/2009/05/04/ikea-ps-collection-in-milan/comment-page-1/#comment-354547 xtiaan Wed, 23 Dec 2009 03:53:58 +0000 http://www.dezeen.com/2009/05/04/ikea-ps-collection-in-milan/#comment-354547 and out of interest why has this discussion been relegated to the bottom of an old ikea post? clearly someone doesnt much care what his readers think. and out of interest why has this discussion been relegated to the bottom of an old ikea post?

clearly someone doesnt much care what his readers think.

]]> By: xtiaan http://www.dezeen.com/2009/05/04/ikea-ps-collection-in-milan/comment-page-1/#comment-354540 xtiaan Wed, 23 Dec 2009 03:32:59 +0000 http://www.dezeen.com/2009/05/04/ikea-ps-collection-in-milan/#comment-354540 why not let comments get approved by the readers themselves, like so many negative points on a comment and it gets removed? or start a forum where readers can sign in and talk to each other? That way dezeen can show clearly that it IS unbiased in its coverage, the community can moderate itself (a system that has been shown to work on any number of other sites) so therefore eveyone would be happy no? and most of all poor marcus doesnt have to taint his eyeballs with the filthy unwanted dross from, as he puts it, "THOSE kind of people" why not let comments get approved by the readers themselves, like so many negative points on a comment and it gets removed?
or start a forum where readers can sign in and talk to each other?

That way dezeen can show clearly that it IS unbiased in its coverage,
the community can moderate itself (a system that has been shown to work on any number of other sites) so therefore eveyone would be happy no?

and most of all poor marcus doesnt have to taint his eyeballs with the filthy unwanted dross from, as he puts it, “THOSE kind of people”

]]> By: G-Unit http://www.dezeen.com/2009/05/04/ikea-ps-collection-in-milan/comment-page-1/#comment-325490 G-Unit Mon, 05 Oct 2009 07:40:28 +0000 http://www.dezeen.com/2009/05/04/ikea-ps-collection-in-milan/#comment-325490 "Goodbye The Truth! You talk about freedom of speech and criticise us but when I dare to criticise you back, you storm off in a sulk. Now who’s the hypocrite? Marcus Dezeen" As the representative of a site, frequented by professionals I feel this to be a little immature. Asides from this, great coverage, shame about the moderation though. Best “Goodbye The Truth! You talk about freedom of speech and criticise us but when I dare to criticise you back, you storm off in a sulk. Now who’s the hypocrite?

Marcus
Dezeen”

As the representative of a site, frequented by professionals I feel this to be a little immature. Asides from this, great coverage, shame about the moderation though.

Best

]]> By: Joaquin http://www.dezeen.com/2009/05/04/ikea-ps-collection-in-milan/comment-page-1/#comment-297582 Joaquin Mon, 27 Jul 2009 05:47:35 +0000 http://www.dezeen.com/2009/05/04/ikea-ps-collection-in-milan/#comment-297582 Hey, cut it people. I'm even amazed how many of you trail back and monitor whether your comments are being published! I'd say get a life, shut down ur PC and go work on some real designs (or other things) once in a while. I believe in freedom of speech with a limit. You don't go out and say bad things to people and not expect consequences. Here, you take advantages of internet anonymity and spit whatever you want to here, just because there is no consequence, and no responsibility. Most of the time it's just something to compensate your deep complexes of not being recognized or actually achieve anything like the featured designers. So, Dezeen, keep up the good work. I may have used inappropriate words and may do again, so moderate me if you have to, cuz I'm not an Ota-ku who come back and get pissed if my opinion isn't there. Hey, cut it people. I’m even amazed how many of you trail back and monitor whether your comments are being published! I’d say get a life, shut down ur PC and go work on some real designs (or other things) once in a while.

I believe in freedom of speech with a limit. You don’t go out and say bad things to people and not expect consequences. Here, you take advantages of internet anonymity and spit whatever you want to here, just because there is no consequence, and no responsibility. Most of the time it’s just something to compensate your deep complexes of not being recognized or actually achieve anything like the featured designers.

So, Dezeen, keep up the good work. I may have used inappropriate words and may do again, so moderate me if you have to, cuz I’m not an Ota-ku who come back and get pissed if my opinion isn’t there.

]]> By: yimyim http://www.dezeen.com/2009/05/04/ikea-ps-collection-in-milan/comment-page-1/#comment-293381 yimyim Tue, 14 Jul 2009 12:08:18 +0000 http://www.dezeen.com/2009/05/04/ikea-ps-collection-in-milan/#comment-293381 I thought I just might weight my opinion into the mix. Actually Anoniminity, for me, is what this is ALL about. And the internet brings the chance to free yourself of the preconceptions of your image, age, race, location, gender, background, eye colour...etc.etc.etc. Actually, and much more importantly, it allows one to free him/herself of the above mentioned from being IMPOSED onto THEM, and digress with others not normally reachable, on a seemingly equal level. THATS THE POINT . AND for me THIS is one of the major joys/pains of the internet as a medium. If you over-control, or only allow 'known' entites to post, it is resigning to mediocrity, and indeed wasting the potential of this medium, perhaps. However disrespect for disrespects own sake is never nice, noone will argue otherwise, and people will always abuse everything, but that is not the reason to lock it up... I thought I just might weight my opinion into the mix.
Actually Anoniminity, for me, is what this is ALL about. And the internet brings the chance to free yourself of the preconceptions of your image, age, race, location, gender, background, eye colour…etc.etc.etc. Actually, and much more importantly, it allows one to free him/herself of the above mentioned from being IMPOSED onto THEM, and digress with others not normally reachable, on a seemingly equal level. THATS THE POINT . AND for me THIS is one of the major joys/pains of the internet as a medium. If you over-control, or only allow ‘known’ entites to post, it is resigning to mediocrity, and indeed wasting the potential of this medium, perhaps.
However disrespect for disrespects own sake is never nice, noone will argue otherwise, and people will always abuse everything, but that is not the reason to lock it up…

]]> By: xtiaan http://www.dezeen.com/2009/05/04/ikea-ps-collection-in-milan/comment-page-1/#comment-289688 xtiaan Fri, 03 Jul 2009 16:39:16 +0000 http://www.dezeen.com/2009/05/04/ikea-ps-collection-in-milan/#comment-289688 Marcus Says: May 12th, 2009 at 7:44 am Thank you Gabriel! We work really hard to provide all this free information to people and when people post abusive comments if feels like inviting people to your house and then watching them smash the furniture. We don’t want those kind of people here any more. could you be any more precious? if it wasnt for your readers you wouldnt have a website, and as for the drama queen smashing furniture comment bad analogy, the internet is a public place, expect to get mugged once in a while. Marcus Says:

May 12th, 2009 at 7:44 am
Thank you Gabriel! We work really hard to provide all this free information to people and when people post abusive comments if feels like inviting people to your house and then watching them smash the furniture. We don’t want those kind of people here any more.

could you be any more precious? if it wasnt for your readers you wouldnt have a website, and as for the drama queen smashing furniture comment bad analogy, the internet is a public place, expect to get mugged once in a while.

]]> By: DexterDayglo http://www.dezeen.com/2009/05/04/ikea-ps-collection-in-milan/comment-page-1/#comment-269436 DexterDayglo Fri, 22 May 2009 23:19:42 +0000 http://www.dezeen.com/2009/05/04/ikea-ps-collection-in-milan/#comment-269436 Hahahahahahahahahah Marcus, at the comment about your guests destroying the furniture. I think you meant to say the BURROWED furniture. You accuse people of coming here and behaving badly then turn around and attack those who disagree with your methods, and when they leave because they are offended you attack them some more behind their back. I guess its okay for the host to attack the guests, just because its your house, right? It is your business, this, and you are entitled to run it as an adoration society for all the designers who so go out of their way to allow you to provide us with all of this free information, just dont expect all to follow suit. Yours is simply the (what should become known as the) Blair- BAE logic defense (clumsy in name, clumsy in execution); your "partners" have threatened one way or another, to stop cooperating with you because of their displeasure at being criticised/flamed/etc by bloody civilians and you have decided to sacrifice a conerstone of good design (and indeed, life) practice - feedback, in order to secure their enduring cooperation. Do us all a favour we can all agree on and remove all traces of the word design from your baby and replace it with propaganda. Okay, i am glad to have gotten that off my chest even if i will end up in the recycle bin with all of the others of a similar view, bet you we dont all see eye to eye though. Hahahahahahahahahah Marcus, at the comment about your guests destroying the furniture. I think you meant to say the BURROWED furniture.

You accuse people of coming here and behaving badly then turn around and attack those who disagree with your methods, and when they leave because they are offended you attack them some more behind their back. I guess its okay for the host to attack the guests, just because its your house, right?

It is your business, this, and you are entitled to run it as an adoration society for all the designers who so go out of their way to allow you to provide us with all of this free information, just dont expect all to follow suit. Yours is simply the (what should become known as the) Blair- BAE logic defense (clumsy in name, clumsy in execution); your “partners” have threatened one way or another, to stop cooperating with you because of their displeasure at being criticised/flamed/etc by bloody civilians and you have decided to sacrifice a conerstone of good design (and indeed, life) practice – feedback, in order to secure their enduring cooperation.

Do us all a favour we can all agree on and remove all traces of the word design from your baby and replace it with propaganda.

Okay, i am glad to have gotten that off my chest even if i will end up in the recycle bin with all of the others of a similar view, bet you we dont all see eye to eye though.

]]> By: photosynthesis http://www.dezeen.com/2009/05/04/ikea-ps-collection-in-milan/comment-page-1/#comment-267003 photosynthesis Sun, 17 May 2009 16:05:09 +0000 http://www.dezeen.com/2009/05/04/ikea-ps-collection-in-milan/#comment-267003 It is a natural progression that eventually commenters will get out of hand and quite aggressive. I have seen this happen a few times on other blogs. There is nothing wrong with negative comments, in fact it is a very constructive process, as long as they are not poisonous and hurtful. I personally would not like to be censored by "The Man/Men" at Dezeen as I would feel it to be a very undemocratic process. I would much rather be censored by my peers. Most of us are decent and honorable people, we should be able to call things out ourselves and then, if need be, ask for things to be deleted( in extreme cases). We are not children. I think we should be able to police ourselves. It is not JUST about the variety of different comments, but also an informal voting process which to me is also the fascinating part of an open discussion. I want to know: "HOW MANY PEOPLE like this or HOW MANY PEOPLE dislike this" and "HOW MANY PEOPLE like THAT and not THIS!" ETC........ Please do not spoil this freedom for us! FORUMS need to be FREE and self-regulating! Peace and Love, J It is a natural progression that eventually commenters will get out of hand and quite aggressive. I have seen this happen a few times on other blogs.

There is nothing wrong with negative comments, in fact it is a very constructive process, as long as they are not poisonous and hurtful.

I personally would not like to be censored by “The Man/Men” at Dezeen as I would feel it to be a very undemocratic process. I would much rather be censored by my peers. Most of us are decent and honorable people, we should be able to call things out ourselves and then, if need be, ask for things to be deleted( in extreme cases). We are not children. I think we should be able to police ourselves.

It is not JUST about the variety of different comments, but also an informal voting process which to me is also the fascinating part of an open discussion. I want to know:

“HOW MANY PEOPLE like this or HOW MANY PEOPLE dislike this”

and

“HOW MANY PEOPLE like THAT and not THIS!”

ETC……..

Please do not spoil this freedom for us!

FORUMS need to be FREE and self-regulating!

Peace and Love,

J

]]> By: Marcus http://www.dezeen.com/2009/05/04/ikea-ps-collection-in-milan/comment-page-1/#comment-265220 Marcus Tue, 12 May 2009 06:44:46 +0000 http://www.dezeen.com/2009/05/04/ikea-ps-collection-in-milan/#comment-265220 Thank you Gabriel! We work really hard to provide all this free information to people and when people post abusive comments if feels like inviting people to your house and then watching them smash the furniture. We don't want those kind of people here any more. Marcus Dezeen Thank you Gabriel! We work really hard to provide all this free information to people and when people post abusive comments if feels like inviting people to your house and then watching them smash the furniture. We don’t want those kind of people here any more.

Marcus
Dezeen

]]> By: Gabriel is my real name http://www.dezeen.com/2009/05/04/ikea-ps-collection-in-milan/comment-page-1/#comment-265161 Gabriel is my real name Tue, 12 May 2009 01:08:59 +0000 http://www.dezeen.com/2009/05/04/ikea-ps-collection-in-milan/#comment-265161 I would like to say that, although I also think the principle (or ideal) of an internet blog is freedom of opinion, I find the posture of null-responsibility for comments quite hypocritical in itself. An internet blog is created collectively; therefore it is a collective effort and responsibility to take it to high standards. It is very cynical to demand freedom for commenting on information that is being delivered to us FOR FREE (and with great quality for the most part), but evade any liability whatsoever for the standards demanded. If we as visitors and contributors to Dezeen wish for a high-standard, free and plural, design blog, we should take some of that responsibility in our hands. If the Dezeen team have felt the need for introducing comment moderation and censorship, it is ONLY because we as commentators have failed to do our part in this collective project. Dezeen should not feel the need for such restrictions, because we should know better. Therefore, I ask the Dezeen team to give us a second chance, and I ask the Dezeen community (which is all of us on THIS side of the keyboard) to begin with establishing the high standards ourselves. I would like to say that, although I also think the principle (or ideal) of an internet blog is freedom of opinion, I find the posture of null-responsibility for comments quite hypocritical in itself. An internet blog is created collectively; therefore it is a collective effort and responsibility to take it to high standards.

It is very cynical to demand freedom for commenting on information that is being delivered to us FOR FREE (and with great quality for the most part), but evade any liability whatsoever for the standards demanded. If we as visitors and contributors to Dezeen wish for a high-standard, free and plural, design blog, we should take some of that responsibility in our hands.

If the Dezeen team have felt the need for introducing comment moderation and censorship, it is ONLY because we as commentators have failed to do our part in this collective project. Dezeen should not feel the need for such restrictions, because we should know better. Therefore, I ask the Dezeen team to give us a second chance, and I ask the Dezeen community (which is all of us on THIS side of the keyboard) to begin with establishing the high standards ourselves.

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