Comments on: Narrative Identities by Nadia Troeman http://www.dezeen.com/2009/09/07/narrative-identities-by-nadia-troeman/ architecture and design magazine Fri, 10 Feb 2012 12:21:52 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: Cayley Monte (Nadia's brother) http://www.dezeen.com/2009/09/07/narrative-identities-by-nadia-troeman/comment-page-1/#comment-349309 Cayley Monte (Nadia's brother) Thu, 10 Dec 2009 14:42:54 +0000 http://www.dezeen.com/2009/09/07/narrative-identities-by-nadia-troeman/#comment-349309 Dear Hanco Kamper ! Thank you very much for your point! It's so wonderful to have people who can rationalize when it comes to art! As a Graphic-Media Designer/Musician myself, I think Nadia's visuals clearly showcases the elements on hand! This is an amazing piece of art! She understands the ability to manifest a visual into various tangible mediums; including imagery! It is quite difficult to make an image/visual come to life! In most cases, if a piece of art creates some sort of a debate (as it is in this case) the art should be considered a MASTERPIECE! That's what art is all about! Promote food for thought! Everybody should get a different interpretation and hopefully apply the lesson'learned to the their lives! To you Ninian, the system has NOT failed! Try and apply yourself to it! Thank you Cayley Monte Nadia's brother in USA (might soon move back to SE London! Dear Hanco Kamper !
Thank you very much for your point! It’s so wonderful to have people who can rationalize when it comes to art! As a Graphic-Media Designer/Musician myself, I think Nadia’s visuals clearly showcases the elements on hand!
This is an amazing piece of art! She understands the ability to manifest a visual into various tangible mediums; including imagery!
It is quite difficult to make an image/visual come to life!
In most cases, if a piece of art creates some sort of a debate (as it is in this case) the art should be considered a MASTERPIECE!
That’s what art is all about! Promote food for thought!
Everybody should get a different interpretation and hopefully apply the lesson’learned to the their lives!
To you Ninian, the system has NOT failed!
Try and apply yourself to it!
Thank you
Cayley Monte
Nadia’s brother in USA (might soon move back to SE London!

]]> By: Ninian http://www.dezeen.com/2009/09/07/narrative-identities-by-nadia-troeman/comment-page-1/#comment-319055 Ninian Sun, 13 Sep 2009 21:45:09 +0000 http://www.dezeen.com/2009/09/07/narrative-identities-by-nadia-troeman/#comment-319055 The problem for me Hanco is seemingly twofold. Firstly, if students were allowed to display minimal information and therefore a display a generic logo then probably most students would not bother, or perhaps only bother initially, but then lose interest. Each member of this system would gradually merge visually. The system has failed. Secondly, and conversely, if the system was a great success, with peacock like students proudly displaying their heritage (which is fine), then people like me who don't feel the need to do so could feel almost like an outcast, eventually rejected. Potential grounds for discrimination by my peers, intellectual segregation. Why does this guy hide his identity? Indirectly i would be forced to submit myself to the system. The problem for me Hanco is seemingly twofold. Firstly, if students were allowed to display minimal information and therefore a display a generic logo then probably most students would not bother, or perhaps only bother initially, but then lose interest. Each member of this system would gradually merge visually. The system has failed. Secondly, and conversely, if the system was a great success, with peacock like students proudly displaying their heritage (which is fine), then people like me who don’t feel the need to do so could feel almost like an outcast, eventually rejected. Potential grounds for discrimination by my peers, intellectual segregation. Why does this guy hide his identity? Indirectly i would be forced to submit myself to the system.

]]> By: Hanco Kamper http://www.dezeen.com/2009/09/07/narrative-identities-by-nadia-troeman/comment-page-1/#comment-317867 Hanco Kamper Wed, 09 Sep 2009 15:08:55 +0000 http://www.dezeen.com/2009/09/07/narrative-identities-by-nadia-troeman/#comment-317867 Dear Tony Good comment! "at what rate of speed or slowness of change does it take before an identity ceases to be one ?" The way I understand it is that the identity of the school (the wider context) is the data this project generates. The visual aspect of the project is a question of how a designer reads and designs the generated data. Asfor: "...whilst with the second, if one is honest, some sort of cultural identi-kit can break through to the surface." & "confused notions of identity with an identifying image which is in constant mutation & in the end that paradox fatally undermines the original concept." Are you asking whether the original idea of opening up the systematic information and replacing it with fluctuating data, that that creates a fatal paradox? Because a system based on inconstant variables can not be used as system and as an identity because it is unsafe and too ambitious? Dear Tony

Good comment!

“at what rate of speed or slowness of change does it take before an identity ceases to be one ?”

The way I understand it is that the identity of the school (the wider context) is the data this project generates. The visual aspect of the project is a question of how a designer reads and designs the generated data.

Asfor:

“…whilst with the second, if one is honest, some sort of cultural identi-kit can break through to the surface.”

&

“confused notions of identity with an identifying image which is in constant mutation & in the end that paradox fatally undermines the original concept.”

Are you asking whether the original idea of opening up the systematic information and replacing it with fluctuating data, that that creates a fatal paradox? Because a system based on inconstant variables can not be used as system and as an identity because it is unsafe and too ambitious?

]]> By: tony harding http://www.dezeen.com/2009/09/07/narrative-identities-by-nadia-troeman/comment-page-1/#comment-317795 tony harding Wed, 09 Sep 2009 07:26:44 +0000 http://www.dezeen.com/2009/09/07/narrative-identities-by-nadia-troeman/#comment-317795 Nadia said: "What I wanted to achieve was a system that does not dictate you to a box, but rather let you define your own." I'm not sure which troubles me more; the one whereby someone else 'dictates ' you to a box or one whereby you dictate yourself to the same. At least with the first it allows plenty of errors to occur whilst with the second, if one is honest, some sort of cultural identi-kit can break through to the surface. Hanco Kamper said in referring to the wider context of identity: ".....but rather an identity that changes." It's nit-picking I know but at what rate of speed or slowness of change does it take before an identity ceases to be one ? I get the impression that whilst the project seems to be quite tight it is so fluid that it defeats its own purpose & for me that is a bonus. What Nadia has done has confused notions of identity with an identifying image which is in constant mutation & in the end that paradox fatally undermines the original concept. Nadia said: “What I wanted to achieve was a system that does not dictate you to a box, but rather let you define your own.”

I’m not sure which troubles me more; the one whereby someone else ‘dictates ‘ you to a box or one whereby you dictate yourself to the same. At least with the first it allows plenty of errors to occur whilst with the second, if one is honest, some sort of cultural identi-kit can break through to the surface.

Hanco Kamper said in referring to the wider context of identity: “…..but rather an identity that changes.”

It’s nit-picking I know but at what rate of speed or slowness of change does it take before an identity ceases to be one ?

I get the impression that whilst the project seems to be quite tight it is so fluid that it defeats its own purpose & for me that is a bonus. What Nadia has done has confused notions of identity with an identifying image which is in constant mutation & in the end that paradox fatally undermines the original concept.

]]> By: archimaniak http://www.dezeen.com/2009/09/07/narrative-identities-by-nadia-troeman/comment-page-1/#comment-317744 archimaniak Wed, 09 Sep 2009 03:40:24 +0000 http://www.dezeen.com/2009/09/07/narrative-identities-by-nadia-troeman/#comment-317744 Dear Ninian, are you by any chance an ex-classmate of Nadia's whose final project didn't get a good grade because of her creativity? Why not channel all this aggressive energy back into something more proactively creative! Good work Nadia! Dear Ninian,
are you by any chance an ex-classmate of Nadia’s whose final project didn’t get a good grade because of her creativity?

Why not channel all this aggressive energy back into something more proactively creative!

Good work Nadia!

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