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	<title>Comments on: Divers by Janina Loeve</title>
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		<title>By: jamiego</title>
		<link>http://www.dezeen.com/2009/11/10/divers-by-janina-loeve/comment-page-1/#comment-340120</link>
		<dc:creator>jamiego</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 00:35:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marcus - Being &#039;allergic&#039; to (perceived) stereotypes seems like a form of sensitivity to me! Gay men can stand up for themselves; sensitivity to (in this case non-existent) mild slurs against them I feel may be more disabling than progressive.

I thought it was obvious from my first post I was thinking beyond stereotypes, since the dominant stereotype of gay men is effeminate and decadent, therefore associated with gaudy colours/glamour/flowers etc*. These bouquets present a challenging, alternative aesthetic of natural beauty that well befits the position of gay men in society, particularly those brave enough to get married.

And this discussion is still about design - how forms and aesthetics are deployed to challenge stereotypes is a very honourable design intention. Sorry to bore on about it - but I think it&#039;s important (and these bouquets captured my imagination).

*(But perhaps it was the phallic-looking courgettes - another aesthetic entirely - causing the wires to get crossed!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marcus &#8211; Being &#8216;allergic&#8217; to (perceived) stereotypes seems like a form of sensitivity to me! Gay men can stand up for themselves; sensitivity to (in this case non-existent) mild slurs against them I feel may be more disabling than progressive.</p>
<p>I thought it was obvious from my first post I was thinking beyond stereotypes, since the dominant stereotype of gay men is effeminate and decadent, therefore associated with gaudy colours/glamour/flowers etc*. These bouquets present a challenging, alternative aesthetic of natural beauty that well befits the position of gay men in society, particularly those brave enough to get married.</p>
<p>And this discussion is still about design &#8211; how forms and aesthetics are deployed to challenge stereotypes is a very honourable design intention. Sorry to bore on about it &#8211; but I think it&#8217;s important (and these bouquets captured my imagination).</p>
<p>*(But perhaps it was the phallic-looking courgettes &#8211; another aesthetic entirely &#8211; causing the wires to get crossed!)</p>
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		<title>By: Marcus Des</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marcus Des</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 20:40:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jamiego - I&#039;m neither conservative nor sensitive; I&#039;m allergic to thinking in (gay) stereotypes. Comes from helping gay people accepting themselves and helping them deal with a rather ignorant or downright hostile environment, even in Holland.

But to be fair, your explanation proves that you actually had a vision here and weren&#039;t going for cheap laughs.

Oh well, back to design, that&#039;s what Dezeen is for!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jamiego &#8211; I&#8217;m neither conservative nor sensitive; I&#8217;m allergic to thinking in (gay) stereotypes. Comes from helping gay people accepting themselves and helping them deal with a rather ignorant or downright hostile environment, even in Holland.</p>
<p>But to be fair, your explanation proves that you actually had a vision here and weren&#8217;t going for cheap laughs.</p>
<p>Oh well, back to design, that&#8217;s what Dezeen is for!</p>
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		<title>By: jamiego</title>
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		<dc:creator>jamiego</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 13:35:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marcus - are you kidding?

It&#039;s a beautiful fusion of decorative and functional aesthetic that would suit a gay man looking for an alternative to the feminine floral bouquet in a traditional wedding.

If you think that&#039;s way out of line, you&#039;re either deeply conservative or overly sensitive, or both.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marcus &#8211; are you kidding?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a beautiful fusion of decorative and functional aesthetic that would suit a gay man looking for an alternative to the feminine floral bouquet in a traditional wedding.</p>
<p>If you think that&#8217;s way out of line, you&#8217;re either deeply conservative or overly sensitive, or both.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcus Des</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marcus Des</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:10:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great, multi-purpose art! They look nice and I can imagine they make a great gift (but I guess you should give yourself with it to prepare the meal, otherwise it&#039;s rather rude).

@jamiego; even if you are speaking from personal experience your remark is way out of line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great, multi-purpose art! They look nice and I can imagine they make a great gift (but I guess you should give yourself with it to prepare the meal, otherwise it&#8217;s rather rude).</p>
<p>@jamiego; even if you are speaking from personal experience your remark is way out of line.</p>
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		<title>By: jamiego</title>
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		<dc:creator>jamiego</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 16:14:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ideal for a gay man&#039;s wedding bouquet</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ideal for a gay man&#8217;s wedding bouquet</p>
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